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Here's an interesting -- and common -- question.

"... any tools that I could use to create a web scraper that I could use to interact with a .aspx website?

I want to build a tool that will read an input file (e.g. an excel spreadsheet) containing a list of property parcel numbers, and for each parcel number:
- connect to the property appraiser's website (which happens to be the .aspx page),
- enter the parcel number,
- scrape selected data (which is contained in a table on the search results page)
- store the scraped data in an output file (e.g. in the excel file that contains the input list)
- repeat the process for each parcel number"

The follow-on is interesting, also.

"I've created an excel macro which does the above with 'simple / plain vanilla html pages using the WebQuery feature, but it can't interact with an .aspx page."

Let's consider some of the complexities and simplicities that are present here.


First, and most important, this is written in solution-speak. It's an IT habit, and it's very hard to break. The input appears to be a spreadsheet. It may not actually be a spreadsheet, but this description essentially forces the solution to be built around the spreadsheet. The source may be another web page or some other file format. Since the problem is written in solution-speak, we don't know and can't -- easily -- explore the alternatives.

Let's assume that the source actually is a spreadsheet. And that this is the real source; it's maintained manually by the person who really "owns" the data.

The "update-in-place" nature of the question ("e.g. in the excel file that contains the input list") constrains the solution. This tends to add complexity because it somehow seems simpler to update a file in place.

What's actually simpler is often a process that creates a next revision of the file, leaving the first one intact and read-only. It's actually simpler because the "revert" strategy -- in case of problems -- is trivial. Simply delete the new file, fix the data (or the software) and run things again. Backup and history are simpler when creating a new file, also.

Technology Choices

Since it's written in solution speak, many technology choices have been made that might be inappropriate.

First, it appears that Excel is the "database" of choice. This is a terrible thing, but very, very common. The person has a problem. They tried to solve it with a spreadsheet. Now they have two problems.

A spreadsheet has a great GUI, but -- sadly -- leads to weird, inconsistent, undisciplined and generally "out-of-control" data. It doesn't have to create a mess, but it's hard to constrain it to prevent creating a mess.


This problem is ubiquitous and -- often -- trivial to solve if we cut Excel out of the picture.

Consider this workflow.

  1. A small Python program uses xlrd to read this "list of property parcel numbers" and creates a simple CSV file. Excel is now officially out of the picture. If this process can't run (because the spreadsheet got tweaked) we can produce elegant reports with row and column information so that the person creating the spreadsheet can fix their problem. Let's say this is 20 lines of code, assuming the spreadsheet is hellishly complex.
  2. Some small Python programs read a CSV file, uses urllib2 to "connect to the property appraiser's website (which happens to be the .aspx page), enter the parcel number", do the POST and retrieve the resulting page. This can be written to a file for future reference purposes. Numerous problems will be encountered here every time an appraiser's web site changes. It's best to keep this separate, since there may be several, each unique to an appraiser. There's no reason to generalize. Each of these is under 20 lines of code. Often under a dozen.
  3. Some small Python program reads the resulting pages, uses Beautiful Soup to parse the resulting HTML. Again, numerous problems will be encountered here every time an appraiser's web site changes. It's pleasant to keep this separate from posting the query since this is just parsing result pages and doing nothing more. Easy to tweak and fix to keep up with changes. However, because of the potential complexity of each page, these might be complex. Let's pretend they're 20+ lines of code.
  4. Some small Python program merges the original "list of property parcel numbers" and parsed results into a new .CSV file. With a double-click, this will be loaded back into Excel to make it look like the file was updated more-or-less in place. This should be about a dozen lines of code.

Since each step is separate, each can be written, tested and debugged separately. Once they work, some kind of master script can sequence through all four steps. That master script should be under a dozen lines of code.

Design Patterns

One important design pattern is to get out of "Office Product" mode as early as possible. Office Produces (like Excel) are fine for people, but dreadful for automation. They're too complex.

Another important design pattern is to decompose the problem into small scripts that can be run independently. Each step creates a work result that can be viewed and used for debugging. The files aren't big and can be deleted when the final work product is created. But an overly automated system is very, very hard to debug.

Another design pattern is to separate the various web services requests (in this case a form POST) by destination web site. Each site has unique security and validation considerations. It's too complex to write a super-universal, uber-form-filler-outer. It's easier to write a bunch of specific RESTful web services requests that are tailored to the unique problems present in each site.

Finally, it's important to avoid "update in place". It's hard to do well, and it's a pain in the neck when something goes wrong and you want to fall back to the previous version of the database.

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